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blast off

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on another vip episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain just south of

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area 51

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my name is ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you another epic episode

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tonight yeah they don't get much better

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and not only is the following guest

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someone i would not shy away at all from

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calling a friend

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but he's a heck of a researcher and on

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today's amazing podcast we have

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returning guest

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james keenan

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we go into rabbit holes as expected

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most of which start from mysteries and

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ancient secrets

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of the land itself if you're wondering

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what land i'm talking about

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well by now sure

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most people know the uintah basin of

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utah is a cryptozoological and ufo

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hotspot among other things

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let's not even get into the

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dimensionality and hollow earth aspects

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underground anyway the area has

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of paranormal

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a trip to the uinta mountains starts off

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this adventure much like the many trips

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researchers like james keenan have made

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and um if this is the first time you've

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heard of our guest james keenan it won't

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be the last

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the reason i say that is he's done a

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number of podcast shows he's an author

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investigator

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james is a native of los angeles

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california hollywood if you want to be

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before having the opportunity to call

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himself an author james worked in law

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enforcement and private investigations

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for over 20 years

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this included the subfields of city

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policing

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investigations for the district

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attorney's office of the best county in

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all of california

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retail loss prevention and ending

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insurance fraud investigations for

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several dollar insurance companies but

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the people and the friendships made were

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great and some continue even to this day

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it's hard not to call james a friend he

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has appeared on multiple television

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shows and programs including those

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james has made appearances on many radio

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some are even crazy enough to call him

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or to co-host them but i i'm hosting it

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so i i i'm just gonna say it james has

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presented his findings and data points

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collected at multiple phenomena based

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conferences because he's gone to

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space wolf research is one of them he

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time and energy into the unexplainable

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and around the uintah basin

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located in northeastern utah

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now a close runner up for his time spent

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the amazing incredible country of mexico

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after all his degree from the university

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of california santa barbara is focused

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on anthropology and archaeology of

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we are of course discussing james

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keenan's new book the giant and the

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golden underworld james keenan welcome

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to the hero paranormal podcast hey ryan

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how you doing thanks for having me back

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and this new book is kind of right up my

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alley one of uh one of my favorite

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topics is sort of

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you know the reality is there are

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massive cavern systems as many

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now topographical maps with with the

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technology people have now we're finding

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out that there's a lot going on under

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you know especially up on the uintah

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basin in the uintan mountains

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there is just a massive amount of

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mountains north south from you know

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mosby mountain down

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all the way uh through the mesa above

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skinwalker ranch and maybe even under

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skinwalker ranch

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and i'm glad you mentioned mosby

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mountain because um the mid so basically

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uh if if listeners don't know there

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there's a lot going on in the basin

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one of the properties involved is a

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place called blind frog ranch which has

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been catching a lot of flack online but

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the reality is there's probably no more

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legitimate spot on the planet and i only

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undergone some pretty amazing things

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historically and if i'm not mistaken

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james your new book is also sort of

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revolved around that same similar or

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particular area

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right so the book is the giant and the

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golden underworld uh it's fictional

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location that most of it occurs is just

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the show uh has been taking a lot of

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when you're in production that which i

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have nothing to do with um i you know i

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haven't appeared on that show and

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you got to remember that when you're

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dealing with television they're trying

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to keep an audience uh throughout the

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entire season and series and and you

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need to catch their attention within a

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period every week

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the ranch itself it is in a very unique

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there was the spanish the old spanish

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trail and we know for effect from

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finding all types of artifacts and

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that there was a ton of mining going on

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everything we learned that

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a lot of the mines that they opened up

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ancient history who was even there

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before them because the native americans

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almost every tribe every band

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also the spaniards the mexicans the fur

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traders that they've come in contact

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with some type of tribe or other race

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that were of great stature

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covering not just the possibility that

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there were these people of great stature

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and obviously i named them the giants

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but just the locations underground and

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above ground that have all this history

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behind it that goes into the ancient

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is as far as occurrences go um something

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uh in your final thoughts you said the

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truth is sometimes best told through

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fiction and that's kind of what i was

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thinking throughout the book because you

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hear reports in the area often times you

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read reports historical reports in the

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uh your book and so your your primary

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character dylan and a couple of his

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friends let's get into it they go uh

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and where should we take it from there

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because i think there's a lot of truth

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in what they find and and how it kind of

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changes their lives you you start

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researching this stuff and

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you realize when you realize there's

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really something on the other side of

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what shouldn't be there it does sort of

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change your life doesn't it

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yeah absolutely it uh you know i always

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my background is in anthropology and

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archaeology and investigator as in law

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pictographs that a lot of times don't

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and an alien series covered a lot of

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ufology shape-shifting and then

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cryptozoology but i wanted to get more

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into the native american aspect with the

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and kind of make some corrections

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they've tied in the wrong tribes or

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bands into like chief wakara

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and i thought what a great way to

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introduce through the characters you

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know dylan is a native american he's a

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tympanogos uh indian which is shoshone

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put those two type of characters

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the tribes that are there had a lot of

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conflict in the past and

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you know it's changed over history a lot

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of the native americans rlds now in that

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area but to give the correct history for

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shoshone the ute and the paiute they all

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have these oral traditions of giants

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as you know well very well that the oral

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tradition is history to them it's not

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mythology

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and also that

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a lot of what seems to be occurring

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on the basin

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and in the mountains that we have

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labeled as a skinwalker ranch phenomena

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you know seems to

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be

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coming from underground obviously

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transient but definitely underground

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whether this phenomena is attracting

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excuse me whether some type of energy

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below ground is attracting the phenomena

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or creating the phenomena

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we don't know but it's there either way

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so there's so many moving parts and the

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easiest way for me to have uh

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accomplished everything that i wanted to

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do was through a fictional story

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you know and then add in the morality

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factor that i uh played through

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uh

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with the characters and

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um just be able to offer that

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opportunity for not

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you know just adults but for uh young

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teenagers and up to be able to

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experience

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researching and investigating on the

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basin but also all these oral traditions

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mythology legends that have occurred

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it's just it's exciting and

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you know

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i felt it was best

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to offer all that learning experience

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and opportunity that i've had boots on

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the ground to the reader

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so true and the native american aspect

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is so important because you realize so

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much about the tribes and also you know

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the bands that many have been

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kind of forgotten but when you get into

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this oral history everything lines up

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perfectly it's like putting

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you know clear maps on top of each other

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they're all identically placed um you

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know the the

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people see the ute tribe and you you

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realize that this is a colorado plateau

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thing like this goes way into the san

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luis valley

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there's amazing native american bands

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like the white river utes the compadres

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i mean you you go and talk there's

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considerably

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similar lore

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both uh

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well in every aspect like i said you you

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line it up and it's like it's there if

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you if you're willing to look it's there

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and

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um i agree with you because

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you know a lot of this lore it's like

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spirituality itself it doesn't make

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sense from a distance when it's heard

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from the outside but when it's practiced

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or when it's seen from the center

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looking out it makes perfect sense and

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it works every time you know

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you have spirituality in western society

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and you know very minimal differences

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make huge gaps just because people

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aren't agreeing on the semantics yet it

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seems with these native american

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legends

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there's much less inc they're more

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congruent there's there's les am i right

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yeah absolutely

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it's uh

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it's interesting when you think about

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the fact that so many tribes and bands

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were always that conflict with one

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another for this certain particular area

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and

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their background but very

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very spiritual location

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and

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you got to ask why

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what was so important about this area

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that

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you know they fought for it between one

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another

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they were willing to

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guard it and lay down their lives

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against the white man intrusion

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and

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tradition stories of each of the tribes

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there are a lot of similarities

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in regards to

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how they describe

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certain

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races or species that they come across

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that

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they

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um

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are always looking

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for that these other races and species

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are always attempting to

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uh take things out of the ground or

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or

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enslave the native americans

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and

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it makes you wonder

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what origin was

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for the tribes that

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when you go

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really deep into the history origin may

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very well have been in that northeastern

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part of utah and that's what the

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the conflict was always about was

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maintaining that i mean look the ute

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fought the navajo

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over a long period of time and that's

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how we even get you know the the skin

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walker and the the yin of luci

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legends that occur in that area so

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um

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i think that

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if we really want to

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[Music]

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delve deeper into what the phenomena is

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that these shows currently are trying to

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capture

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probably

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one aspect an avenue that they really

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need to start focusing more on would be

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the uh the historical

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portion of it through the native

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american culture and societies other

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than just the earliest

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white europeans that were there in that

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area

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man i could not agree more james the

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philosophical views

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of the native americans historically in

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that area from a

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vocal perspective which is being lost

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daily

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that is like

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gold going through our fingertips as

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researchers because um

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as a as an example i had a recent friend

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someone i would consider a friend that

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would go to spacewolf often local who

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was very knowledgeable

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of all of the uh lore

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and

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she she she could name you um the

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skinwalkers who were notable in the area

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and you know right off the tip of her

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tongue and things like this and you know

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something you take for granted from one

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day to the next she's gone she was young

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something you didn't think you know was

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going to

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would disappear from a data perspective

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and boom gone you know i just all i

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remember is what we vocally spoke of

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whenever we were on you know space wolf

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together and

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she

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you know it was amazing you know what i

463
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what i remember even what i remember

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speaks volumes of the area but my gosh

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it just it just it just shows the um

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the importance of this data and how

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quickly it's disappearing right before

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our very eyes and i just want to you

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know

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congratulate you for delving

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you know head headlong into this from a

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historical archaeological geographical

473
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perspective so anyway yeah it's tough

474
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man it's so hard to see all of this

475
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amazing stuff

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leading us to some conclusions that are

477
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very difficult for

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the public to uh kind of wrap their

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heads around

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yeah no it's

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um

482
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it's interesting because

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there's

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over the years i know you've you've been

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researching and collecting uh that data

486
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far longer than i have

487
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um

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but for the amount of years and the time

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that i've put in the the technology that

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i've used

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all that data collection it would be so

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difficult

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to

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a non-fiction book and i believe over

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through the course of the last four

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books i've written that i've put a lot

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of that information into those fictional

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books but you know just because they're

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fictional doesn't mean that all the

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information in there isn't true

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a

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excuse me

503
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this is the first book that i've

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included photography photos and pics in

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which are all my own

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photos from the basin and the mountains

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including underground

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it was just easiest for me to be able to

509
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work so much of that data in there now

510
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obviously in the future i do plan on

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doing a non-uh fictional book

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where i am going to put a lot of those

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data points in because like you said it

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could be lost the very next day

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and you know we have so little from the

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nibs and the bass era uh

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you know the new book came out uh

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skinwalkers at the pentagon

519
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and it gave us a little bit more of that

520
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information but still so much of that

521
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has been held back

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obviously because they were contracting

523
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with the federal government and there's

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these ndas

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um in place

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and then we get these little glimpses

527
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from both

528
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mystery at blind frog ranch and

529
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the other show on history channel

530
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but

531
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there is just so much information that

532
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has to get out there to help the

533
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researchers and the investigators that

534
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:57,679
way they're not you know reinventing the

535
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wheel

536
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instead they take all that data and can

537
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now i want to go back a little bit

538
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because a lot of this stuff goes way

539
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:10,960
back and it's it's very interesting

540
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,960
because this is stuff that eventually

541
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um

542
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it's hard to explain

543
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eventually this goes into a situation

544
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where it

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challenges the human being even

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researching the phenomena itself

547
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into a material versus a spiritual

548
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phenomenon and i think your book touches

549
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that many times

550
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and um

551
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there is something else that your books

552
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,720
i think touch on all of them because

553
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i've read a lot of the previous ones to

554
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my kids i might leave a few pages out

555
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,960
because they're toddlers but they love

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them they love them and they're kind of

557
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,840
getting an idea what daddy's into

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and um it's really cool because those

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00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,760
books kind of did it for me and that was

560
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a huge for me that that kind of bridged

561
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a huge gap that as a parent i would have

562
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to do myself so thanks for that and

563
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um

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yeah your book

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00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:10,600
goes into this

566
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underground world that may possibly very

567
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likely exist under the you in a basin

568
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can we get into that a little bit and

569
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the

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science behind it

571
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sure so

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the

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uintah mountains are

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they're somewhat unique uh they're

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east-west trending so they're not

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completely

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uh east-west

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uh

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and there are obviously other east-west

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mountains uh ranges but this is uh one

581
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,799
of the few

582
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,400
and

583
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,360
it was it's one of the highest elevation

584
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,279
mountains without any

585
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,240
recent glaciation which is

586
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:53,760
very bizarre

587
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:56,799
how that was possible how they formed

588
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,400
you have a lot of known

589
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:03,760
caves caverns underground systems

590
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,400
you know you have some just above vernal

591
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:07,440
that

592
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,480
you know are five six miles long

593
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,600
you have others near pole creek which

594
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,480
i've been underground which leads to an

595
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,360
underground sump which is an underground

596
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,400
lake that's a quarter mile in length who

597
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,520
knows how deep and

598
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:27,919
leads into additional caverns

599
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,360
you have cave systems that we know of

600
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,320
entrances and sinkholes in the mesa

601
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,039
above skinwalker ranch

602
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:38,960
um unfortunately a lot of these

603
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,240
entrances are on ute uh

604
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,559
reservation land which they won't allow

605
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,720
you to enter

606
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,039
but you have this connectivity

607
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,520
you have in the history

608
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,480
of this area a huge lake known as

609
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,520
ancient uintah lake which covered

610
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,320
two states or portions of utah and

611
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,240
colorado

612
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,840
a lot could have occurred during the

613
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,159
course of that period which started

614
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,440
around 55 million years ago

615
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,360
you

616
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,360
have to have some type of meteorite or

617
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,320
asteroid strike because there are just

618
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,880
too many anomalous

619
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:20,960
material in the ground there such as

620
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,679
high iridium

621
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,240
and the way parts of the basin are

622
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:29,279
formed that look like something impacted

623
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,080
it

624
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,159
absolutely looks like something from

625
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,720
outer space and we're talking about

626
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,400
hundreds of thousands of acres and i'm

627
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,240
so glad that you mentioned the things

628
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,600
that are present there that aren't

629
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:41,840
anywhere else like gilsonite present

630
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,960
nowhere else on the planet amazing

631
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,120
yeah you have uh the gilsonite is a

632
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,760
hardened hydrocarbon

633
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,799
that

634
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:53,200
is very unique

635
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:57,039
it's like an uh

636
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,080
it's

637
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,320
there's something like it found in three

638
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:02,640
other locations in the world but nothing

639
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:06,400
quite as good as the gilsonite and

640
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,480
how it formed is still under debate a

641
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,000
lot of people believe that it required a

642
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,279
heat source

643
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,840
for it to harden like that

644
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,760
you know what better way than some type

645
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,559
of

646
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:23,520
meteor asteroids strike

647
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:26,960
and you know you have a lot of shocked

648
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,559
um quartz too in the area

649
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:32,880
which would have come from something you

650
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,590
and like you said this

651
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,960
this stuff

652
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,360
that is in other parts of the planet is

653
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,600
nowhere near the quality and this is the

654
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,960
problem with a lot of things in the

655
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,320
basin

656
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,720
we have uh well

657
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,799
without without

658
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,640
it it's almost disrespectful to say

659
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,640
because something may be found in the

660
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,600
future

661
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,799
but the

662
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,240
the largest

663
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,159
petroglyph alley

664
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,320
on the planet that i'm aware of is nine

665
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,679
mile canyon

666
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:08,640
and many of the implications much much

667
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,470
they

668
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,240
describe things that are out of this

669
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,310
yeah

670
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,960
the uh the anthropomorphic and

671
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,360
zoomorphic figures

672
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:25,200
are obviously just something truly

673
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,320
bizarre

674
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,440
uh most of them aren't understood and

675
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,200
again you know when people are listening

676
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,279
to this i i fully understand that

677
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,720
petroglyphs and pictographs are

678
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,960
subjective in you know what you're

679
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,279
viewing only the artists that create it

680
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,760
would know exactly what it is but here's

681
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,840
what i always posit to people

682
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,880
is

683
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,880
you're seeing what's there but have you

684
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,679
ever considered what's missing

685
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,720
there are whole swaths of subject matter

686
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,799
missing that are normal daily life that

687
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,840
you see

688
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:57,919
in all the other

689
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,039
writings and carvings and paintings

690
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,880
throughout the world you're missing

691
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,600
daily life such as structures they lived

692
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:06,480
in

693
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,440
the animals around them when you see

694
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,880
animals they always seem to be in

695
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,039
distress like they're running away from

696
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,720
something or looking at something coming

697
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,000
from above

698
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,840
you're also missing one of the most

699
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,919
important things which is the myest the

700
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,960
corn

701
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,279
there's none of that around there

702
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,000
and you have to ask yourself what was so

703
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,039
important what was occurring that

704
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,919
whoever was the artist over thousands of

705
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,039
years

706
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,120
were leaving out everything that should

707
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,640
have been put

708
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:40,240
in

709
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,520
subject matter that

710
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,640
uh

711
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,080
i don't think we'll ever fully

712
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,200
understand but it's just amazingly

713
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,520
interesting to look at these characters

714
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,960
the shapes

715
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:57,279
where they're coming from what they're

716
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,720
doing how they're impacting the other

717
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,279
figures or the animals in the petroglyph

718
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,000
or the pictograph and in nine mile

719
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:07,919
canyon you know even though it's called

720
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:11,600
nine mile i think it's 54 miles long and

721
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,679
they are everywhere everywhere

722
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:17,760
yeah don't think you can go down it and

723
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,279
it's nine miles don't do that

724
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,600
yeah no absolutely yeah

725
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:25,919
and you're talking about hundreds of

726
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,760
sites along that area above price

727
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,080
utah

728
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,880
you know if you travel in your vehicle

729
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:36,320
you're gonna miss

730
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,159
hundreds if not thousands of uh

731
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:42,159
pieces of rock art

732
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,600
just due to the fact that they're

733
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,360
everywhere and

734
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,240
you have multiple cultures

735
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,720
you have a group that we have named the

736
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:53,440
fremont culture and another group known

737
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,640
as the barrier canyon style culture

738
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,320
and barrier canyon style actually goes

739
00:30:02,669 --> 00:30:00,720
all the way down to san juan river

740
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,679
uh culture which was down in

741
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,360
southeastern utah so

742
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,360
the fremont in the this barrier canyon

743
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:09,360
style whoever they were we really don't

744
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:10,320
know

745
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,440
of areas throughout utah wyoming and

746
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,960
colorado

747
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,799
yet

748
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,120
they all seem to be

749
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,520
documenting a

750
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,159
similar if not the same subject matter

751
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:28,960
occurring over the course of

752
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,470
it's amazing and i think it's funny the

753
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:39,919
power

754
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:43,039
that history holds and what i mean by

755
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,399
that

756
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,279
is how quickly you know i'm so glad you

757
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:48,960
mentioned the dismissiveness of the

758
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:51,440
native american perspectives

759
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,200
dismissed

760
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,120
yet

761
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,080
it seems that they're drawn perfectly in

762
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,360
some cases

763
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,880
as you said in these pictographs and

764
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,760
petroglyphs much like

765
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,840
you know the perfect angles of chaco

766
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,120
canyon

767
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,399
the shapes and the angles to the stars

768
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,720
that the aztecs and the native americans

769
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,960
left behind and then those are treasures

770
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,399
in and of themselves

771
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,880
yet there are actual treasures which

772
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,320
have been dismissed from the native

773
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:24,559
american perspective yet

774
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:27,760
how many people have chased the spanish

775
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,120
perspective when described rooms of gold

776
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,320
many of you know keri shanab there's

777
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,720
when it comes from other perspectives

778
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,559
the treasure hunters come out

779
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,240
and everybody

780
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,799
lends credence to these legends and

781
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,360
lores without actually looking at the

782
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,679
foundations am i right

783
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,360
absolutely

784
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,880
you just made a great point and

785
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,200
something i covered in the new book

786
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,840
was the spaniard spoke about seven

787
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:57,760
cities of sabola

788
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,799
and they originally got this information

789
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,600
from where from the native americans

790
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,320
but when you go through the archives and

791
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,640
remember that the museum of america is

792
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,320
in madrid spain

793
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,960
and the old archives are in santa fe new

794
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,360
mexico and mexico city so you have to

795
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,120
travel to these areas to get the old

796
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,880
journals from the conquistadors that

797
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,799
were originally here

798
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,279
what you find

799
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,799
is extremely interesting because when

800
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,720
you're talking about seven cities of

801
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,240
ebola what if it wasn't

802
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,559
meaning that the seven cities of gold

803
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,399
were actually built

804
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,360
but from the way that they've written it

805
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:40,000
that there was enough

806
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,120
gold

807
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,640
already cashed from a past race of

808
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:47,039
unknown whoever they were

809
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:50,880
of gold bullion that was capable of

810
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:54,240
building seven cities of gold

811
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,200
and

812
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,480
you have to break down that old latin

813
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,200
and that old spanish

814
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:03,919
there's also interesting that ties into

815
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:06,559
the welsh and possibly a welsh prince

816
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:09,600
that was here 800 years ago

817
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,200
and you see a lot of that ancient gaelic

818
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,640
in

819
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,159
the petroglyphs

820
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:17,840
so

821
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,669
information

822
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,399
that

823
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,679
we're seeing

824
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,159
as white westerners instead of

825
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,480
looking and interpreting it the way that

826
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,919
the writer

827
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,679
had written it

828
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,480
and you talked about kirschen up

829
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,799
well when you break those two words down

830
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,039
cara is actually from

831
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,519
gaelic ancient gaelic and it's uh

832
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:45,600
it's carrick

833
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,559
and shanab is ancient hebrew so how the

834
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,120
hell did it get into northeastern utah

835
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,679
so kirshana means there dwells the great

836
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,799
spirit

837
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,399
but when you're talking about the true

838
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,080
meaning carrick

839
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,000
from the ancient gaelic and the hebrew

840
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,840
it's actually stone both

841
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,919
hollow so what does that bring to mind

842
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,480
stone both hollow that there's something

843
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,000
underground

844
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,320
uh structure of some sort or maybe an

845
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,879
ancient city or somewhere of origin that

846
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,320
we should really be searching for

847
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,159
especially with all these cavern systems

848
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,440
available to us below ground

849
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,520
and when you realize who searched for

850
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:27,760
these seven cities of gold i mean these

851
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,040
were in especially for their times

852
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,280
these were amazing undertakings of

853
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,960
course with today's technology this can

854
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,079
be done

855
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,720
by uh you know it doesn't take a

856
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,760
government to do it um the now the

857
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:43,040
legend

858
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,480
the interesting thing about the lost

859
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,520
cities

860
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,480
um

861
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,280
of cibola and kivera is that the

862
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,440
location

863
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,119
this is kind of hidden there's a lot of

864
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,119
secrets and

865
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,639
i think something else that is

866
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,240
interesting is when you get into the

867
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,680
native american

868
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,560
lore

869
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,839
you can sense as at least as an outsider

870
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,640
you can sense a sensitivity so the

871
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,040
location of these

872
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,560
areas in the mountains

873
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:12,640
are pretty important um

874
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,000
let's go into what we do know about utah

875
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,440
treasure which is significant i mean i

876
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:21,119
can't even imagine how many books have

877
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,240
been written

878
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,400
when you consider

879
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,599
the rhodes and the uh i mean we have

880
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,240
carrie ross boren we have the the amount

881
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,040
of books and both of them have

882
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,280
worked on many books together the amount

883
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,480
of books that have been written about

884
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,800
this just appearing in the uintah

885
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,480
mountains themselves

886
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,200
as the location is significant in itself

887
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,480
am i right

888
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:47,119
three even with the lds church

889
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,390
uh what occurred when they first got

890
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:56,000
here

891
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,960
and

892
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,400
you have to think to yourself the

893
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:00,800
mormons when they got to utah were dirt

894
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,599
poor they could barely survive

895
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,480
so

896
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,640
how was it that a couple years later

897
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,480
they were suddenly capable of bringing

898
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,960
hundreds of thousands of people

899
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,960
uh

900
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,760
over to the americas you know where did

901
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,200
this uh

902
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:19,839
money come from and how are they capable

903
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,960
of building their temples and the cities

904
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:24,800
and

905
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,480
uh how are they capable of creating

906
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,720
their own gold coins

907
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,200
if there was no gold to be found and a

908
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,119
lot of people say well it came from the

909
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:37,119
sutter's mill area because the original

910
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,240
lbs

911
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,280
that brigham young had sent went to

912
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,200
california and then were called back and

913
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,359
brought it but they only brought a

914
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,520
couple of bags there was no way to mint

915
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:50,480
what they minted unless they found a

916
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:54,160
normal source that was local or very

917
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,280
close to the

918
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,359
salt lake city area

919
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,240
and

920
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,880
these individuals like that you had

921
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,720
named rhodes and born

922
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:03,760
they've

923
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,720
had access to certain historical

924
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,119
documents in that church that not many

925
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,720
other people have

926
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:12,079
so

927
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,960
um

928
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,440
you know and obviously you take it at

929
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,160
face value here's only two people that

930
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,680
have provided this information but like

931
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,520
you said there's tons of other books

932
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,560
written

933
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,359
on these topics where data has come from

934
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,880
other locations

935
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,599
but

936
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,160
you know put that aside how about just

937
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,079
the data that's available in the

938
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:33,920
archives from the spaniards and the

939
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:37,200
mexicans how about the data

940
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:38,079
through

941
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:39,040
the

942
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,680
you know when you

943
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,440
start putting this together and then you

944
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,680
look at the really old historical data

945
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,880
which are the petroglyphs the

946
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,880
pictographs and the artifacts that are

947
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,079
being found

948
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,400
of the fremont culture and the barrier

949
00:38:02,710 --> 00:37:59,920
canyon style

950
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,720
and you have a lot of similarities over

951
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,960
thousands of years right up to

952
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,520
you know the 20th century so what's

953
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,480
going on you know something

954
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,760
even if you

955
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,000
look at a fictional story like the ones

956
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,480
that i write there's always truth behind

957
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,440
it it originated from somewhere that was

958
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,000
in reality

959
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:24,560
exactly true

960
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,480
and there was you know big displays

961
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,200
of um this wealth

962
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,920
that salt lake city's best known pioneer

963
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,160
landmarks show very well

964
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,920
one of which mike

965
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,200
let's see this was great great

966
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,359
grandfather was involved with which was

967
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,440
the eagle gate monument it was just his

968
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,800
refinery which was used to do it but

969
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:48,880
you know it just goes to show these

970
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,520
these examples of wealth that at the

971
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,720
time

972
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,760
were very rare um we're talking about a

973
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,880
4 000 pound bronze eagle with a wingspan

974
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,040
of 20 feet over

975
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,960
you know a massive roadway near the

976
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,920
temple

977
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,160
and um you know the daughters of the

978
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,359
utah pioneers museum located nearby

979
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,400
now what's interesting is this wealth

980
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,599
just was uncanny it came

981
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:17,280
almost immediately

982
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,560
and

983
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,480
it it it was it

984
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,079
i don't know it's hard to explain i

985
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,480
think that the adjacent

986
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,200
you win a basin has more to do with it

987
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,560
than a lot of people are willing to

988
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:30,400
mention

989
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:36,160
technology and

990
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,200
i don't

991
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,800
i think everything that we've heard

992
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,800
about in the past is continuously being

993
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,520
regurgitated in regards to the

994
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,680
skinwalker ranch phenomena

995
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,640
and

996
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,960
kershanov or the rhodes mine or the

997
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,800
mormon mine brigham young mind whatever

998
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,160
you name it

999
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,839
but

1000
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,880
what i've done is i i've

1001
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,839
i tried i obviously have

1002
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,839
done my research i know all the

1003
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,839
historical data and information i read

1004
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,359
the books that are out there are brought

1005
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,800
out recently

1006
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,960
but what i'm doing differently and you

1007
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,960
you named it i mean i even

1008
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,040
when you uh have had me out on your

1009
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,800
property i've used this new technology

1010
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,119
so i'm i'm using

1011
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:21,200
ground penetrating radar

1012
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,160
which

1013
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:24,800
actually has three different settings i

1014
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,040
can use a uh 100 300 or 500 megahertz

1015
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,880
meaning i can go all the way down to 80

1016
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,680
feet

1017
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,839
with my my gpr

1018
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,560
i have a brand new 3d

1019
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:39,520
magnetic ground imaging which can see

1020
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,760
[Music]

1021
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,920
non-invasively into the ground to 64

1022
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,920
feet tell me exactly what's there

1023
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,960
without having to dig an inch of dirt up

1024
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,680
i have new deep penetrating metal

1025
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,520
detection units that can go down to

1026
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,520
about 35 feet

1027
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,000
so the information that i'm bringing out

1028
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,480
i promise you isn't old

1029
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:02,000
and it isn't

1030
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,880
uh

1031
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,359
just me making it up i have the data

1032
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,839
points to back it up i have vector

1033
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,640
magnetometers and a cesium magnetometer

1034
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,359
look at you and i have talked

1035
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,480
privately about one of these four

1036
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,000
very

1037
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,040
anomalous magnetic locations that have

1038
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,119
this transient energy that can't be

1039
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,319
explained

1040
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,200
the largest of them that has just the

1041
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,839
weirdest shift from a negative 14 micro

1042
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,880
tesla to a 62 micro tesla

1043
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:34,640
meaning that there should either be a

1044
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,839
cavity below ground or a huge magnet and

1045
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,720
then

1046
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:39,599
it's

1047
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,359
going back and forth is on your property

1048
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:46,480
and amazing i would have never

1049
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,319
been able to find this diagonal

1050
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,520
line that matches up and goes from your

1051
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,040
property which is

1052
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:57,280
just south and adjacent to skinwalker

1053
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:01,119
ranch guess what all the way up to blind

1054
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,119
frog ranch and then a mile up in in the

1055
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,040
same diagonal line

1056
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,760
to a location that

1057
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,240
uh i'm still researching and involved in

1058
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,160
that i don't want to give out too much

1059
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,359
information until i'm able to

1060
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,599
fully understand what's going on there

1061
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,800
and it evolves into something else but

1062
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,599
the new technology is

1063
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,119
something that i rely on a lot

1064
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:32,400
and it has just brought out a wealth of

1065
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,000
vast new information that will hopefully

1066
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,079
contribute to solving whatever is

1067
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,920
occurring in that area

1068
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,400
well without going into it having worked

1069
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:44,560
as a fly fishing guide for nearly a

1070
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,400
decade in that northern area of where we

1071
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,480
previously discussed i can say that

1072
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,960
you're not barking up the wrong tree

1073
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,119
there are thunderous claps of truth to

1074
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,319
what you're saying and man yeah it's

1075
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:00,000
epic

1076
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,520
yeah you know ryan what's really

1077
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,280
interesting is

1078
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,720
so

1079
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:07,520
you have this area uh

1080
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,599
around blind frog ranch all this area is

1081
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,640
either

1082
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,800
ute reservation

1083
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,119
blm bureau land management which is the

1084
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,760
federal government or private

1085
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,359
owned land

1086
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,480
but what i believe is the most important

1087
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,079
location

1088
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:29,200
guess what who owns it the state of utah

1089
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,119
has this one spot in the middle of

1090
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,200
all this other stuff that they have had

1091
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,560
and guess when they initially took it

1092
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:40,319
back when the mormons got here in the

1093
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,040
1850s 60s and they would not give it up

1094
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:46,880
so

1095
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,040
that in and of itself has me just

1096
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,680
completely

1097
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,800
queued into this location and

1098
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,960
initial findings and i don't want to say

1099
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,359
a whole lot until i'm able to research

1100
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:01,839
it more but you know guess what's below

1101
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,750
should i say i don't know

1102
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:13,510
yeah i mean

1103
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,319
it's

1104
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,000
it just it

1105
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,670
wonder uh you know about so much of this

1106
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,200
information

1107
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,000
when you see these old maps

1108
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,760
and you hear

1109
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,400
the stories that have been told

1110
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:34,880
man it matches up and looks like this

1111
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,349
it's just a matter of time

1112
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,440
i agree with you i agree with you yeah i

1113
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,520
i'm so hesitant to say any more because

1114
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,599
i don't want to we must leave it there

1115
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,599
we must but there there's something

1116
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,440
interesting kind of this leaves a little

1117
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,680
bit way out of this out of this area or

1118
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,960
this room

1119
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,960
let's talk about what we're really

1120
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,880
talking about which is this you know a

1121
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,640
lot of people are dodging this idea that

1122
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,200
there's gold available in this area and

1123
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,880
i think it's glad that you you mentioned

1124
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,040
the mosby area earlier

1125
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,480
mosby creek historically was like an atm

1126
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,720
it was like the go-to place to pan for

1127
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,680
gold

1128
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:14,560
and

1129
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,079
i agree with you that their

1130
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,240
is a lot to be discussed in the

1131
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,880
semantics because the seven cities of

1132
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:24,880
gold i think were described if i'm not

1133
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,119
mistaken this is aztec treasure and

1134
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,720
we're talking about gold bricks that

1135
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,000
could build seven golden cities is that

1136
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,680
correct that kind of changes the

1137
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,440
perspective

1138
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,280
yeah you have

1139
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,520
they said that there's uh the rhodes

1140
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,119
family said there was enough gold

1141
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,440
bullion available

1142
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,160
to

1143
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,760
change the world

1144
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,680
forever

1145
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,200
and others have said that there was

1146
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:55,839
enough gold bullion available to pave

1147
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,839
the roads in salt lake city in

1148
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,880
gold and

1149
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,680
you know not just that but look at all

1150
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:05,599
the large

1151
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,920
old smelters that are around mosby creek

1152
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:11,839
and you're talking these are big enough

1153
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,520
and large enough to have smelted a lot

1154
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,079
of different types of oars

1155
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,920
at high temperatures

1156
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,040
they could have

1157
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,920
pulled a lot of gold out of the copper

1158
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,400
and even of greater interest is just

1159
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,680
within the last 15 years ryan

1160
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,359
and you were saying it earlier that the

1161
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,040
geologists and people always said

1162
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,760
there's no way that the uintah mountains

1163
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,319
have gold that they just were under

1164
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,680
mineralized and couldn't produce it it

1165
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:43,280
couldn't happen

1166
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,880
yet you have all this spanish

1167
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,640
writing and

1168
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,640
things in the trees that point towards

1169
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,839
it but

1170
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,319
you have this huge

1171
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,720
long fault line that has just recently

1172
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,160
been studied

1173
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:00,720
within the last 15 years and understood

1174
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,280
and guess what

1175
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,119
mineralization is localized to this

1176
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,839
fault throughout the entire fault and

1177
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,800
guess where it travels through all these

1178
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:12,960
locations that have been discussed since

1179
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,560
the mormon times around the 1840s

1180
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,079
so

1181
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:20,160
you know as we're moving forward in time

1182
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,280
and

1183
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,680
the technology is getting better

1184
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,280
and there's more studies being done by

1185
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,680
the university of utah and byu well

1186
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,920
guess what it's looking like what you

1187
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,680
know you and i and a bunch of other

1188
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,440
researchers and treasure hunters have

1189
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,790
and the buck doesn't stop there it gets

1190
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,040
weirder doesn't it james because this

1191
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,280
like you said this this this has a

1192
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,760
paranormal aspect which is hard to kind

1193
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,880
of tack

1194
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,160
on to

1195
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,040
the gold treasure hunting historical

1196
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,640
phenomena that's already present and

1197
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:54,480
lines up with everything else

1198
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,000
there's a portion of the lore that has

1199
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:59,280
an occult

1200
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:03,119
paranormal aspect that's hard to deny

1201
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:04,079
and

1202
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:05,280
um

1203
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:06,559
i've been

1204
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,960
soapstone basin for example

1205
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,280
and this soapstone basin area has great

1206
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:15,200
fishing great fishing great camping

1207
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,559
great all kinds of stuff i was there

1208
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,680
with a friend

1209
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,160
we literally put our stuff down for a

1210
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,960
minute his backpack my fly rod we walked

1211
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,839
over

1212
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,079
turned around they were gone and this

1213
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,599
stuff happens and it doesn't just happen

1214
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,400
high in the uintas it happens on these

1215
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,960
ranch farmland properties in the basin

1216
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,040
as well

1217
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,680
absolutely and you you know that goes

1218
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,839
along with the paranormal you have the

1219
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,720
hitchhiker effect that takes place

1220
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,079
and

1221
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,119
to prove that it's a real phenomenon

1222
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,040
occurring you have a lot of physicists

1223
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,960
that we know by name

1224
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,480
multiple physicists that are looking

1225
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,520
into this and that don't deny it they

1226
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,760
say it it's happening and a lot of the

1227
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,839
research that you know the advanced

1228
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:05,839
aerospace weapon system application

1229
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,800
program osap was looking at dealt with

1230
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,119
this hitchhiker effect

1231
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,440
so you have these

1232
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:15,280
strange occurrences of things

1233
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,720
disappearing

1234
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,680
you know

1235
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,599
almost comical sometimes like you're

1236
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,400
being messed with purposely

1237
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,240
and then you have other things the

1238
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,880
skinwalker ranch phenomena hitchhiker

1239
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,880
effect being part of that

1240
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,599
just a ton of different type of

1241
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:34,160
phenomena occurring for this location

1242
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:35,119
and

1243
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,079
is it

1244
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,880
tied in to the precious metals oh

1245
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,200
absolutely is it tied into the origin

1246
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,240
for the native americans 100 percent is

1247
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,880
it tied into giants absolutely you just

1248
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,680
have to drive up to dry fork canyon and

1249
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,680
look at the petroglyphs there and see

1250
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,760
what they were writing they had these

1251
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,960
seven foot tall glyphs of giants with

1252
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,760
six digits on each hand and these huge

1253
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,319
feet that they have up there

1254
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,119
it's all there and the interesting thing

1255
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,720
is it keeps going it even in today's

1256
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,720
amazing world of technology it seems

1257
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:13,040
like we're returning to the same aspects

1258
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,240
where

1259
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:16,400
things that should not be connected seem

1260
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,839
to connect in the basin even if it's

1261
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:22,720
aerospace in the form of robert bigelow

1262
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,119
and his ownership of portions of

1263
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,480
northeastern utah or if it was

1264
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,800
nasa being involved with

1265
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,760
other things the area somehow has a rich

1266
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,839
history of paranormal dimensional and

1267
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,720
underground lore no matter which culture

1268
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:40,880
and the interesting thing is

1269
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:44,000
the adventure is uh kind of historical

1270
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,440
and you've kind of

1271
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,760
gone way into the way into this and i

1272
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,920
think that's important because

1273
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,920
this goes way back

1274
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:52,720
when

1275
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:57,280
literally the spanish trail uh you know

1276
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,119
father escalante and dominguez in 1776

1277
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,640
had some hiccups

1278
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,880
in that area and

1279
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,160
we have curses we have today's water

1280
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,160
projects which have dammed up historical

1281
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:11,760
amounts of water

1282
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,599
residing under historically high levels

1283
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,599
of electrical

1284
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,480
well basically the highest powered

1285
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,800
lines in the basin go right over the

1286
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,240
area we're talking about and these

1287
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,160
mysteries and ancient secrets of the

1288
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,240
land itself seem to be activated in a

1289
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,240
way are you finding that in any way

1290
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,640
shape or form

1291
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,400
yeah since they put in those half

1292
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,400
million volt plus

1293
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,160
those kilovolt plus

1294
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:39,440
power lines

1295
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,680
i think it energized whatever was there

1296
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,559
and in regards to

1297
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:48,839
newer findings you know nasa was

1298
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,160
involved you also had the usgs prior to

1299
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:54,559
nassau in that location

1300
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,040
from 1962 to 1968 doing a lot of top

1301
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:01,440
secret type of work

1302
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,359
building huge underground arrays

1303
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,680
throughout the basin that were supposed

1304
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,079
to have been removed

1305
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,599
in the documentation in 1970

1306
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,640
through 75 that was the nasa cia

1307
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,119
documents that came out of the air force

1308
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,359
base there in outside of albuquerque new

1309
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:22,880
mexico

1310
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,000
it states that all these arrays and the

1311
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,640
wiring and all the technology that was

1312
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,960
attached to the seismic arrays

1313
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,119
underground were removed

1314
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,440
well guess what i've been out there and

1315
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,599
i've shown this in my presentations at

1316
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,720
conferences the 3d ground imaging i have

1317
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,440
guess what it shows still underground

1318
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,520
the size the seismic

1319
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,200
monitors are there

1320
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,920
the wiring is there so what they said

1321
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:53,440
was removed wasn't completely removed

1322
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,319
and

1323
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,079
have we now

1324
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,760
interfered or energized

1325
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,240
natural phenomena or

1326
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,000
other phenomena that we don't quite

1327
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,920
understand and given it more energy in

1328
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,000
order to pull from

1329
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:09,920
and hence the reason for you know this

1330
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,319
area being now known as a ufo alley

1331
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,880
having a lot of different type of

1332
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,160
cryptid type

1333
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:20,400
creatures in the area

1334
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,599
and a lot of interesting oral tradition

1335
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:26,880
stories you know have we added to it

1336
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,960
since 1980 and uh increased its power

1337
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,079
output that it can pull from

1338
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,440
i agree it does seem as if an ember of

1339
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,440
this mystery was picked up in the late

1340
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,319
90s and we've been just passing that hot

1341
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,319
potato and torch back and forth between

1342
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,640
researchers ever since and you have to

1343
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,839
because

1344
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,240
this is an important area that i think

1345
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,599
it's important something you mentioned

1346
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,359
about your research

1347
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,720
you cannot

1348
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,480
well you mentioned that you can do these

1349
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,800
things without having to dig an inch of

1350
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,359
dirt up and one thing that has been

1351
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:03,280
found in this area as i'm sure you can

1352
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,400
attest to

1353
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:07,280
is that when actual digging proceeds

1354
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,880
something else comes afterwards

1355
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,559
yeah you uh

1356
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,319
sometimes you have some strange

1357
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,359
phenomena occur to you or to someone you

1358
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,119
know

1359
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,069
it's interesting uh

1360
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,000
you know it i guess it depends a lot

1361
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,800
where where the digging occurs and

1362
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,319
you know as as it's occurring or

1363
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,960
drilling now we have a lot of this

1364
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,640
borehole drilling occurring at least

1365
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,640
down to 100 feet we're finding

1366
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:39,520
underground rivers and lakes and streams

1367
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,400
and

1368
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,400
you know we've been talking about that

1369
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,520
that

1370
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,240
you know there's a moderately saline

1371
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,480
water table underneath so it could be

1372
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,359
positively charged it has a lot of eye

1373
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,799
it's ionic

1374
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:54,720
there's a lot of magnesium so you have

1375
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,680
this hard water which can you know allow

1376
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,599
whatever is occurring to travel great

1377
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:02,240
distances through it

1378
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:04,839
it's amazing it's such a fascinating

1379
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,079
area and you know it's raw and rugged

1380
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,960
just on its visual you know surface

1381
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,480
however when you

1382
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:15,200
rise above just the material visual what

1383
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,240
you see

1384
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,359
there's so much more going on and rising

1385
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,440
above that let's go into the ufos a

1386
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,640
little bit i'm sure that this is

1387
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,960
something everybody wants to hear about

1388
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,559
and it's expected

1389
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,319
most people know that you in a basin is

1390
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,760
a cryptozoological and ufo hotspot have

1391
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,880
you had

1392
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,119
an opportunity to engage in anything

1393
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,960
like that or have you felt some of those

1394
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,000
physical

1395
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,520
attributes when you're in these areas

1396
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,280
where you know your body doesn't feel

1397
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:43,280
quite right

1398
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,280
yeah so uh in my last two presentations

1399
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:49,599
at two different conferences

1400
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:53,839
i collected 92 seconds of video

1401
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,799
and i presented some of the still photos

1402
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,240
i've pulled from that

1403
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:00,880
where i came in contact with an orange

1404
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,280
orb probably the size of a basketball

1405
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,799
around the blind frog ranch area

1406
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:10,000
and

1407
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,079
could provide all the video in the world

1408
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,040
and people say oh it's photoshopped

1409
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,400
this can be created and you can't

1410
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,720
believe it so i had to think out of the

1411
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,880
box well what technology have we not

1412
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:25,599
used that maybe can provide newer data

1413
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,870
looking into this uh

1414
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,799
uap phenomena

1415
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,000
well what i used was a i i'm a former

1416
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:38,799
former police officer i've been trained

1417
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,760
to use uh you know ka

1418
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:43,040
which is a

1419
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:46,960
microwave at 34.7 gigahertz technology

1420
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,599
it's a police radar gun you know it's

1421
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,559
what

1422
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:53,040
guns you the police use to monitor your

1423
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,400
speed

1424
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,319
so i used

1425
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:58,480
this technology

1426
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,000
and uh i used laser technology when i

1427
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,920
used the laser technology

1428
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:06,559
the orb did nothing there was no

1429
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,000
interaction the moment i used pop radar

1430
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:13,599
and turned on the microwaves this

1431
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:16,960
uap started evading

1432
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,079
the what was being sent out from the gun

1433
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,920
and what was even more interesting was

1434
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:23,839
the fact that this

1435
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,599
uap had to have some type of surface

1436
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:29,920
texture to it because what did it do it

1437
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:32,960
returned a signal back to the gun

1438
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:35,920
of anywhere from 11 to 44 miles per hour

1439
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,200
during these 92 seconds of interaction

1440
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,960
so

1441
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,880
that in and of itself was huge for me

1442
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,640
because i had always wondered are we

1443
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,720
talking about maybe just lights or fault

1444
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,359
line phenomena like in marfa texas where

1445
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,160
these green and orange orbs uh come up

1446
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,240
out of the ground and more than likely

1447
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,160
some type of natural phenomena that

1448
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,799
we're unaware of

1449
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,559
you know that are created from somewhere

1450
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,319
deeper underground

1451
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,559
or is this

1452
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:05,920
some type of

1453
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,359
object that is you know tangible it can

1454
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,520
be touched it can it has that surface

1455
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,880
and sure enough

1456
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,720
that's what this did it return and i i

1457
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,799
even used it on your prop

1458
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,480
i thought that in and of itself was an

1459
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,480
incredible new find and i've been

1460
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,400
presenting this so

1461
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,240
you're talking uh

1462
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,640
about a ufo alley well

1463
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,160
absolutely

1464
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,160
there's just all kinds of strange

1465
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,000
phenomena occurring

1466
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,599
and it's interesting

1467
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,119
if you happen to be there at night

1468
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,599
during a storm

1469
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,960
in the winter

1470
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,480
for some reason

1471
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,079
whatever is there interacts with you

1472
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,720
even more so

1473
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,880
it sure seems like inclement weather

1474
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,280
weather has more other things as well

1475
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,960
but inclement weather

1476
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,440
as you mentioned uh temperatures that

1477
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,040
make a trip out to the basin a little

1478
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:57,119
bit tougher

1479
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,640
things that make it more of a

1480
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,799
quote-unquote adventure difficulties

1481
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,640
even

1482
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,040
the hitchhiker phenomena that's expected

1483
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,319
there seems to be an array just an array

1484
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,359
of

1485
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,799
possibly

1486
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,920
ancient

1487
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,680
protectors of the area if you want to

1488
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,839
call them that or ancient alien

1489
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,000
artificial technologies as many have

1490
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,040
contributed in more modern terms but i

1491
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,839
think it's mainly semantics the native

1492
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,440
american lore may be speaking of the

1493
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,079
very same entities and

1494
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,799
the total of this invoice that we're

1495
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,799
looking at is a lot of paranormal

1496
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:34,960
dimensional and underground stuff that

1497
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:38,559
isn't just lore it's reality

1498
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,160
yeah absolutely you know you're

1499
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:45,440
you mentioned one thing in regards

1500
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,319
to what occurs and

1501
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,119
is it ancient technology that is

1502
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,720
interacting with us

1503
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,960
hurting people without knowing that it's

1504
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,240
doing that

1505
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:57,839
you know is it

1506
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,480
transmitting some type of microwave

1507
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,319
radiation

1508
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:05,119
all the way up through the low gamma

1509
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,480
spectrum

1510
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,240
without

1511
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,440
knowledge of what it's doing to

1512
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,799
who is now there which are human beings

1513
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,559
and

1514
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,040
i've always thought

1515
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,760
and tried to approach it in that aspect

1516
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,640
that everything that we've heard

1517
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,040
may just very well be something that is

1518
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,520
so old and has been there for such a

1519
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:31,440
long time and

1520
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,280
either woke up or reactivated or

1521
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,280
is now being powered

1522
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,559
that is involving itself in what's

1523
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,880
occurring on the basin and

1524
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,839
people

1525
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,319
you know unfortunately

1526
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:49,119
come into its way or direction

1527
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:56,630
so true so true as with any amazing

1528
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,520
you know

1529
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,720
animal

1530
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,079
or you know

1531
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,920
predator that may be near

1532
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:04,079
extinction this is this is actively

1533
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,680
functioning as something that is an

1534
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:08,640
alpha predator and with that let's get

1535
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,599
to

1536
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,520
it's it's so amazing it's so fascinating

1537
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,760
all of it is but as we wrap up james

1538
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,599
let's get to the giant and the golden

1539
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,240
underworld where people can pick it up

1540
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,079
and um

1541
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,119
what you recommend uh as far as

1542
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:26,319
experiencing this alternate history

1543
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:27,440
sure so

1544
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,119
uh it's for sale and ebook and in

1545
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,920
paperback on amazon

1546
01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:36,079
it'll be available in the next week or

1547
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:39,400
so at barnes and noble you can go to

1548
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,960
amazon.com

1549
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:44,000
forward slash author forward slash james

1550
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,960
keenan

1551
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,359
and then it'll direct you to all my

1552
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:48,720
books

1553
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,839
and in regards to

1554
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,720
experiencing

1555
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,079
you know

1556
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,760
like i said if you can't get out to the

1557
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,240
basin in those mountains

1558
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,359
my last four books the three before this

1559
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,680
one were children's books this

1560
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,480
i wrote more for adolescence and up

1561
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:09,440
so 13 and up older

1562
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,039
to include a lot of what occurs a lot of

1563
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,839
that phenomena inside some type of

1564
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,280
storyline

1565
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,359
but you know

1566
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:20,960
you you definitely if you have the

1567
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,760
opportunity to go to roosevelt or to

1568
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:25,039
vernal

1569
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,480
that's a good

1570
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:28,720
location either one of those to kind of

1571
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,079
get to introduce be introduced to the

1572
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,920
to the uintah basin in the uintah

1573
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,280
mountains and

1574
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,039
you know you have both of the ranches

1575
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,880
that are on television right now maybe

1576
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:40,799
the opportunity to actually go to one of

1577
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,160
those and be on it is available

1578
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,710
i always say experiencing it in person

1579
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,640
is is

1580
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,880
you know not just unique but something

1581
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,720
that'll stay with you you know forever

1582
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,640
the rest of your life

1583
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,039
very important in my opinion as well and

1584
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,280
roosevelt and vernal are the places to

1585
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:03,839
go can't thank you enough for coming on

1586
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:06,240
james and thank you again for another

1587
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,119
book

1588
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,280
that is related to this topic and delves

1589
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,720
into the mystery

1590
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:13,039
and um are there any other websites in

1591
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,000
that you're

1592
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,839
attributed with or

1593
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:18,240
involved with that you'd like to mention

1594
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,870
forward slash

1595
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,839
c

1596
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,359
forward slash

1597
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,880
james keenan

1598
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:33,599
giants and paranormal

1599
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,480
that's my youtube uh

1600
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:39,359
channel where i have put up quite a bit

1601
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:42,880
of this information in powerpoint

1602
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:46,880
presentations for everybody to look at

1603
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:49,760
so cool and i can't wait to uh meet up

1604
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,319
with you in the basin soon and research

1605
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,160
with you as well james it's been an

1606
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,880
honor and a pleasure and i i can't thank

1607
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,559
you enough for coming on

1608
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,960
hey you know i appreciate you having me

1609
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,880
and thanks for allowing me to discuss

1610
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,480
the new book

1611
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:06,880
well there you have it james keenan

1612
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,440
bringing an amazing podcast

1613
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:11,680
there's no wonder he's in a re returning

1614
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,119
guest multiple times we go into so many

1615
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:16,559
rabbit holes

1616
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,079
whenever he comes on that it's hard to

1617
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:21,839
keep track of where you start and where

1618
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:24,559
you end up these mysteries and ancient

1619
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,200
secrets of the land itself can take you

1620
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,520
down many pathways

1621
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:31,280
and when you're talking about enough

1622
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,240
gold bars to build seven cities

1623
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,559
it's not a wonder that this is getting a

1624
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,000
lot of uh

1625
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,319
attention lately the area has a rich

1626
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,559
history of paranormal dimensional and

1627
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:44,720
underground lore it's all wrapped up

1628
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,000
quite nicely in james most recent book

1629
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:50,720
the giant and the golden underworld it

1630
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,920
is fictional but it has a lot of neat

1631
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,440
things in there and you can experience

1632
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:57,520
the alternative history yourself

1633
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,039
get this on amazon and as james so

1634
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,200
wonderfully puts

1635
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,680
the truth is sometimes best told through

1636
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,920
fiction until next time keep your eyes

1637
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:09,920
to the skies feet on the ground but